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Post by -Wings- on Jan 4, 2006 0:43:19 GMT -5
Pardon my French, but holy frick! All this talk about stretching made me slightly stretch the reflection head to better match the proportions of Sir Paul/Bill's head. I didn't go all the way with it, so it's still a bit smaller (and perhaps I made it a bit too thin), but... That's not Bill. It's definitely James Paul in some form. This has to be one of the most blatant, reaffirming clues I've ever seen. Bill's never looked like that, especially in that photo.
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Post by mciiii on Jan 4, 2006 13:08:31 GMT -5
In the film there is a scene where Paul enters the BBC building. When he enters he is greeted by an elderly man, who then introduces Paul to another individual by saying "Do you know William?" If anybody in the forum (JoJo?) got the 'Give My Regards to Broad Street' DVD, maybe can make a capture of this short clip.
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Post by JoJo on Jan 4, 2006 17:03:21 GMT -5
I'm gonna be lazy for now, and put up this from the book instead:
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 6, 2006 21:39:07 GMT -5
As you can see, Bill's eyes are wider and his eyelids are different than those of JPM. Talk about a clue placed in this film, that is amazing find JOJO!
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Post by mciiii on Jan 7, 2006 13:42:21 GMT -5
see the line across his head (decapitation?), and where is the teeths?
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Post by -Wings- on Jan 7, 2006 21:56:39 GMT -5
Personally, I don't believe the line represents anything. It's the edge of the piano. For the image to be viewable, they had to superimpose part of it on the top and part of it running down the side.
The teeth, on the other hand, do appear to be missing. It could just be the way he has his mouth open, but you almost have to be trying not to show off any teeth to have it open and none be visible.
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Post by mciiii on Jan 7, 2006 22:37:54 GMT -5
For me, the edge of the piano, casuality or intentionality, is like other clue pics who give the idea of decapitation.
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Post by Doc on Jan 7, 2006 23:28:58 GMT -5
As you can see, Bill's eyes are wider and his eyelids are different than those of JPM. Talk about a clue placed in this film, that is amazing find JOJO! It does seem to me, though, that the reflected image of Sir Paul would exibit a degree of dimensional distortion due to the angle of the piano surface and the camera lens not being equal to the straight on image of Paul's head. It would stretch or shorten the image depending on the relationship. It's hard to say; the reflection does seem more like James Paul. Which may mean the reflection highlights the true comparison; maybe Sir Paul is the spitting image of James Paul save only the proportions.
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Post by -Wings- on Jan 8, 2006 5:49:34 GMT -5
I've probably studied that reflection much longer than healthy, and I just can't see that as being a distorted Sir Paul. Everything, from the hair to the nose to the mouth, makes it seem like if it wasn't a different person, it was at least a reflection from a different moment in time than the one captured in the photo.
The thing that needs to be determined is how much of the image is lost on the piano line. If it's to be argued that it's a legitimate reflectin of Sir Paul, than you'd have to assume that the majority of the forehead is lost on that line where the reflection bends. But when you look at the microphone, it appears that it doesn't skip a beat between the two points of the line.
If nothing is lost, then the man in the reflection has hair that goes down to his eyebrows, disqualifying it as Sir Paul.
Ugh... nothing about this is ever simple, it is?
EDIT: Okay, so I've gone back and looked and it does seem like a good chunk of the microphone is missing after all. So I guess I have to relent there... this can't be resolved with the hair length, because that part of the image IS missing. D'oh.
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Post by TotalInformation on Jan 8, 2006 11:31:31 GMT -5
the reflected image of Sir Paul would exibit a degree of dimensional distortion due to the angle of the piano surface and the camera lens not being equal to the straight on image of Paul's head
That is of course what the brain expects to see there, but it is still nevertheless a phto-illustration of JPM.
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Post by Doc on Jan 8, 2006 14:10:20 GMT -5
the reflected image of Sir Paul would exibit a degree of dimensional distortion due to the angle of the piano surface and the camera lens not being equal to the straight on image of Paul's headThat is of course what the brain expects to see there, but it is still nevertheless a phto-illustration of JPM. That began to occur to me.....OK, I buy that.
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Post by plastic paul on Jan 8, 2006 18:12:41 GMT -5
I reckon it's kinda representing JPM, but the look is so Bill to me.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 9, 2006 22:21:29 GMT -5
If this was a true reflection, the image of Bill on the piano would have the microphone covering the same portion on the face. The mic on Bill, just barely covers his face, while on the JPM image, there's more of the mic covering the face. There is no lower teeth showing in the JPM image as well as the line going over his eyes. Even if this was a true reflection of a man's face, there would still be characteristics the same, even if there may be some distortion on the reflection. You see more of Bill's neck, the reflection of JPM you don't. The hairstyle is definitely not the same. Bill's looking more to his side, where JPM is looking slightly upward. you see more of Bill's forehead than the reflection of Jpm. Notice the distance from the chin, the jawline to the ear. Bill clearly has the longer face. I find it interesting that JPM is the reflection, as if Bill was reflecting on the life that wasn't even his, but JPM's.
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Post by plastic paul on Jan 10, 2006 7:30:40 GMT -5
I understand your point and agree it is JPM-ish but those reasons are quite wrong, there are so many factors that would create the effects that we've seen such as lighting, postion of camera etc.
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Jan 11, 2006 2:12:54 GMT -5
I agree that images of reflections are not exactly the same as the object that is reflected.
But the placement of objects would be the same place on the reflection as the object itself. Again the microphone, the hair and eyes are not the same or even close on the different pics.
This is clearly a forgery.
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Post by mysteryboy on Jan 11, 2006 18:10:00 GMT -5
Thank you! I haven't seen nor heard it. I am very interested in hearing the butcher job on JPM's Beatle songs. I am very interested in the voice comparison angle.
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Post by madtitan125 on Jan 14, 2006 2:00:43 GMT -5
Just want to tell you to pay extra attention to Bill's rendition of Eleanor Rigby.
It is so un Paul-like. It is, however, a classic Bill Wings-era vocal. Especially the double-tracked chorus at 1:18:
"Ah Look At All The Lonely People" "Ah Look At All The Lonely People"
Repeats at 1:54:
"Ah Look At All The Lonely People" "Ah Look At All The Lonely People"
These parts are so Wings-Like.
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Post by eyesbleed on Jan 14, 2006 8:12:47 GMT -5
Thank you! I haven't seen nor heard it. I am very interested in hearing the butcher job on JPM's Beatle songs. I am very interested in the voice comparison angle. I've already put a cd together that has each Broadstreet version immediately followed by the Beatle version of each song....... in case yer interested.... it could save ya some time. PM or email me.
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Post by lili on Jan 14, 2006 9:26:51 GMT -5
That sounds very interesting, eyesbleed. Do you know how to make them into wav. files so that we can all hear them ?
I have to say that could very well be true, Rita.
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Post by fourthousandholes on Nov 22, 2006 19:31:06 GMT -5
"You were in a car crash, and you lost your hair" Wings wrote: " ... if that is a superimposed image and not just a trick of reflection, then that's James Paul McCartney in his mid-'40s. "lyrics from Bill's "Friends To Go" (on 'C&C in the back yard') "I've been waiting on the other side For your friends to leave so I don't have to hide I prefer they didn't know So I've been waiting on the other side, for your friends to go"I think the image of Paul may have been "aged" somehow, but I'm inclined to think he's "on the other side" - (dead). Still I think the image is meant to suggest Faul is channeling Paul. Remember the comment about this? (That it was what was on the piano that was significant, according to Apollo C Vermouth?) Maybe we misunderstood! Perhaps it is the spirit of Paul that is "on" the piano. The pictures of Paul in the book being a means by which to focus on the "essence" of Paul.
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Post by fourthousandholes on Nov 22, 2006 22:26:02 GMT -5
Not to be-labour the point, but: just as the piano mirrors the image of Faul as Paul, the afterlife mirrors the Earthly life but is more the real deal (so to speak). Also the piano varnish acts as a scrying tool, like a crystal ball. When the spirit of Paul is present, he becomes visible; hence: "I've been waiting on the other side For your friends to leave so I don't have to hide I prefer they didn't know So I've been waiting on the other side, for your friends to go"
Evidently Paul doesn't want Bill's friends to see him manifest in the veneer of the piano. Btw, wasn't there something on the white album poster involving the image of a spirit over a piano?
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Post by lili on Nov 23, 2006 7:39:55 GMT -5
That was a great observation, 4000.
Give My Regards To Broadstreet Release Date: 22.10.1984 UK and US UK: Parlophone CDP 7 46043 2 US: Columbia CK 39613
It was re-released in a remastered version with Order-No.: 0777 789268 2 5 in August 1993 with twobonustracks:
No More Lonely Nights (extended version) No More Lonely Nights (special Dance Mix) Tracks No More Lonely Nights Good Day Sunshine Yesterday Here, There And Everywhere Wanderlust Ballroom Dancing Silly Love Songs Not Such A Bad Boy So Bad No Values/No More Lonely Nights For No One Eleanor Rigby/EleanorĀ“s Dream The Long And Winding Road No More Lonely Nights (playout version) Goodnight Princess
I WOULDN'T BE THE LEAST BIT SURPRISED IF PAUL HAUNTED BILL. AFTER ALL, HE "COVERED " 5 OF PAUL'S SONGS ON THAT ALBUM !
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Post by eyesbleed on Nov 23, 2006 10:39:30 GMT -5
I WOULDN'T BE THE LEAST BIT SURPRISED IF PAUL HAUNTED BILL. AFTER ALL, HE "COVERED " 5 OF PAUL'S SONGS ON THAT ALBUM ! ... or simply a cheesy way to ride on JPM's talents when he doesn't have anything worthwhile of his own to present (at that time).
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Post by lili on Nov 23, 2006 12:26:07 GMT -5
Could be. [img src="http://galeon.hispavista.com/akostuff/img/Dunno2[1].gif"]
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Post by LOVELYRITA on Nov 25, 2006 17:28:59 GMT -5
I WOULDN'T BE THE LEAST BIT SURPRISED IF PAUL HAUNTED BILL. AFTER ALL, HE "COVERED " 5 OF PAUL'S SONGS ON THAT ALBUM ! ... or simply a cheesy way to ride on JPM's talents when he doesn't have anything worthwhile of his own to present (at that time). I think you hit the nail on the head with that one !
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